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neo i really feel very strongly that chryme's album is not only an almost exclusively negative experience, but that it is playing with so much dark side that it could even be very dangerous spiritually.
mav, i love u and i dig ur tunes. seriously, it's good music. but the spirit is a serious thing too and u can't just play around with that stuff without getting burned. we both know what i'm talking about.
and dude, this is coming from me who is very liberal about family produced music. "fu song" stands for "fuck you song." i just don't think this will help anyone...
Love, Joe.
I am in full agreement with you, Joe. I'm still considering taking it down agian. However, I think my post on the album kind of gave the proper picture. I myself am very leery of the lyrics (except for In You, which seems okay) I asked the guy if he could post them so I'd know what I'm listening to, but he hasn;t responded. Now, I do like the music part. That is what makes me enjoy it - especially Till Then. Yes, I know what the FU Song stands for, he said in on his site, but I like to refrain from using that kind of language here, ha. By the way, didn't you do a song where the chorus says nothing but "fuck me"? In any case, I'm going to remove the songs once I get a new post up, or when Abner's album comes out. GBY
he says "fuck me" talking to Jesus.. tho making someone a "familymember" doesn't especially mean their music is clean.. i haven't listened to these tracks yet but from what i read you'll find a whole lot of system music that has "music that you like that makes you enjoy it".. but sounding a whole lot better and even being more spiritually uplifted
I know what Joe was saying those words to. And I'm guessing that Chryme was cursing at the devil. In any case I'm very open about any Family Members musical productions. Though I did advise caution on these songs, and I wouldn't want anyone under senior teen age (preferably older than 18 actually) listening to this. I mean, look how much bad people have to say about Metanoya's "I Believe In Hell". To me, its all the same, tho I still want to find out exactly what the words of these songs say so I can have a propper judgement. Anyway, they won't last here long, ha.
well it's impossible to try to decifer the "lyrics" to these songs... but just by the band name "chryme".. the songs bloodbath, dark flames, shadows or sorrow, ded world, fuck you song... i dunno.. sounds like a serious case of emo mixed with lots of bad influences... of course i could be wrong.. But i wouldn't rate this any more positive than any other death metal band out there in the system
It sounds like garbage Technically. Very bad demos. I wouldn't suggest a download Just for the quality aspect, then add the huge question about the spiritual influence of these tracks. I noticed on soundclick he mentions "I live with the family international, I have Lived with them for my whole life". Them...Like he isn't part of "us". Questionable. Its not even Christian sounding, and Its definetly not Pure water, which "family" music is. I wouldn't listen to it.
Point taken, I took'm down. If the guys who know the most about Family music & are the most liberal about it think its not Godly, they are probably right. I stand corrected. Thanks for your good shepherding!
it was great meeting you again after all these years...love you lots Paulie!!! :D be good...and stay xtreme, my fellow xtremer!!! --Jo
Yeah it was awsome to meet you to Joanie!!!
hey neo, where can I find "the fifth angel" album. the guys who were "foolmoon" before I heard they have a song out already. someone from brazil told me its an awesome album
BTW Paulie is a way cooler name than Neo!!!...you'll always be little Paulie in my books! :D Love you tho...
Anonymous:
That album has not yet been officially released. I'm good friends with the guy who is creating thier website, so as soon as it is up, I'll post it here. I hope it is soon!
Joanie:
Perhaps you think so, & you're entitled to your opinion. But posting it on my blog....well....it's not such a good idea, heh. Love you too.
abners stuff is probably the best stuff you have on this site! Very awesome ab! Us metal lovers salute you! haha
Ps by the way neo, would you call nude productions songs metal? I dont know, still rest might barely it, but i dont know about the other two....
Yep! It is definetly the best. About Nude Pro: Still Rest applies, Dear Nemesis definetly applies. We Will Make It Out alive doesn't really, & Hoopy Birthday is not metal at all. I just put it with the rest of their stuff.
above we see why family music is void of metal, you're judging when you say you can't even understand the lyrics. steve, what is "christian sounding" music a certain scale maybe? I dont think so...we cant judge the godlyness of a song my the inspiration level we feel after hearing it, i am more inspired listening to Chrymes songs(though the poor recording stops me from listening often) then i am when i listen to our friend amaranthine or many other sanctioned family artists...the inspiration the reciver feels is a variable...the inspiration of the artist is all that matters...on another point,steves attempt to demonize chryme with the "with the family not in it" plug is very foolish in my opinion. to pass judgment on account of one word("with" istead of "in") seems just a little overeager....wraf, your judgment of his name choice and song titles is understandable to some extent though with out knowing the lyrics to the songs its hard to judge correctly..do we shy away from songs like "make em bleed" or "i belive in hell" on account of the title? or the band name...do we say Joe is a fag just because he calls himself amarnathine? as for chryme being as "positive as any other death metal band out there in the system" well here we see the root of this problem...you have attacked, not the content of the music but its genere, showing us your rather biased veiw...i would venture to say that as far as music in the system goes you will find more christian bands among the death metal community than in any other genere.i am not promoting their music here, though many of them have lyrics that easily equal a good share of the recent "sanctioned" family music in "godlyness"...well thats all...and for gods sake listen to metal!...oh and yeah...good work dragon bounty!
Uh...Wraf? Amaranthine? Steve? One of you guys wanna answer that? I for one, actually like about half of the Chryme album so I'll not argue about whether its bad or good. But if one of you three would like to state things a little clearer to yet another anonymous, I'm sure it would help. Geez, finally my site is getting some decent disscussions.
hey dude somethings wrong with the nemesis song. It stops like midway into the song. Maybe its the uploading problem or sumfin....
It has some great screaming tho! very nice....
Um, I don't know. It downloaded just fine for me. Maybe your server has a problem, happens sometimes.
Yeah, i noticed that that song is getting the a higher download to play ratio than our other songs...I'm thinking it may have something to do with how I rendered it...I'll check my settings and fix it if needed. Oh and Neo,
1.) we aren't from South America...I live in the States as of...well...March...and
2.) We aren't WE but rather just myself and my older brother...no band yet :(
Hey anonymous, You just have yourself a good one. I'm Not going to answer your Points.
(I have Helped plenty of metal acts, (Good work dragon bounty?) and produced a couple Metal songs of my own. for you to say I'm uneducated or don't "like" the Genre is foolish.)
I do have something to say.
HERE's why theres not much metal in the family.
Metal Is very dangerous. Satan's influence and control and message is Most clearly hear and seen In the Genre of Metal, Much more then other Genres. Most of it is blatantly Dark and Evil, a kind you won't find in Pop or alt rock or what have you. I Personally think many types of Metal were actually invented in the first place By Satan, not the Lord, to Push his message of Hatred and Evil Ideas. Its the easiest vehicle to Put A satanic Message into. Even "Christian" metal...can get VERY questionable.
The Family doesn't Have Much Metal Because it's Hard to use that vehicle to effectively preach Gods Message. To make proper metal...It almost impossible to try to have a Growling "trying as much as possible to sound like Satan Himself" Vocal carry the message properly.
Also- for those EXTREME die hards are pushing, or making metal in the family...
They probably Like it so much Because they listen to it. I don't think you'll find a real Die hard exclusive metalist who really realizes the danger of system metal and Rejects it completely. The ones Ive seen...Preach about heavy metal in the Family, and then listen to hours of the system Metal on their headphones. BUT system Metal being the Severe Poison and Satanically attractive yet in most cases absolutely detrimental music it is, I seriously wonder about these People and they're "family" music.
Unless there heart is in the music and lyrics, the spirit cannot be their either. You can't just sing lyrics about killing demons and be a retarded disciple on the side, and still create family music. Because the Lord will NOT bless it, and will not be there. the spirit will not be there, If the writer isn't desperate for the spirit. That's from the word. This too.
Family Music Is PURE water. which Is defined as.
1. The message of war against the System.
2. The message of total freedom of His Spirit.
3. The message of complete dedication to Him.
4. The message of laying down your life for the lost.
5. The message of giving up all material goods so that you might find and do His will.
6. The message against the anti-Christ Systems of today.
7. The message of sexual freedom when done in His Love.
8. The message of the truth of His Law of Love.
9. The message of Heaven and the world to come.
10. The message of the Endtime and the warning of the things to come.
Otherwise Its not to be considered family Music.
Now, anonymous, Think before you say.
Sorry- Not done
Although I do think Its Possible to Have the Lord in a "real" metal song, Its easy to screw up, and- I think Most of those who want to make Real Metal are Not real disciples first, because those who love and wanna Produce it are usually very Influenced By system Metal, which they usually Listen to in order to have that Musical Preference. see?
If the writer's Heart is right and he Loves Jesus for real, and isn't drawing on system Metal which kills fast, you can make Family Metal.
Steve:
VERY well said. That is exactly what we needed to hear. I'd like to mention though, that while I have become a extreme fan of metal, I have never, EVER listened to system metal in my life. I have only listened to what has been produced by Family members. And all my views have come from that. But I will say: of all the Fam metal I've heard, Bounty of Dragons is best & Chryme is the worst, ha.
Sam:
Sorry for the mis-information. I went on your Nude Productions site & there was a bunch of pictures of a band & on all of your songs you have a whole list of credits for the different musicians, which is why I thought you were a band. Sorry about that.
hahaha...no problem,,,I still need to take that old hullabaloo down...Yeah...it's jsut a studio of stuff I produce...cheers
As an ex-solid metaller... I have to say I'm very happy about metal in the Family, as long as the people doing it are in the right spirit. Yet there's one thing that I think is a misconception about metal. Just so people know, metal is a genre, and there are many people in the world who listen to this genre a lot. To them, it becomes a genre of choice. Now all the people who listen to metal like this aren't necessarily worshipping Satan. On the contrary, there is a very large Christian metal scene, mostly underground. Most of this is brackish water, of course, as I discovered when I started looking for heavier music that had a good message around 6 years ago. I discovered that even though there were Christian death metal and black metal bands by the score, (called life metal and white metal in the scene) they didn't have the same spirit as the other music that was blatantly evil.
The blatantly evil music of those genres carried a very strong spirit of blind rage and hatred for everything good, intolerance, hopelessness. Yet the Christian music wasn't the same, but rather, it carried the sort of spirit you'd expect from the churches. The spirit was actually pretty lethargic. Some may find it surprising that such an aggressive style of music could predominantly carry a spirit of lethargy, but from everything I saw about the scene, that's what I could tell.
The punchline to all this is, I think that for someone who is used to metal, and I mean real metal, it can become a vehicle for any emotion or spirit, not necessarily only an aggressive one. I've heard some songs by what would technically be termed a black metal band that actually felt joyful. The message was joyful, and the melody played by the guitar felt uplifting. Yet the singer singing this message was still growling. I'm not saying this is the gospel truth, but I think that you can portray almost any strong emotion with metal, making basically the only emotion that would be difficult to express with the genre boredom. I think it would be difficult to write an extreme metal song about how bored you are, or any other shallow emotion. Yet when it comes to any other emotion, I think if it's strong, it can be expressed in heavy music, from love, to joy, to sorrow, to anger.
This whole issue was brought to me when I released I Saw You Go. Many people enjoyed the song, while some questioned it. They had a hard time with the idea that a message from Jesus about how much He misses those who leave Him would be screamed. Yet with other people who were more accustomed to the genre, this wasn't a stumbling block at all. I ended up asking the Lord about it, and He told me that while the overall song was pure and had His blessing, I could have made more of an effort to pray over it, and pray while recording it to ensure that none of my frustrations about loved ones leaving got into the music. The Lord pointed out that as a result of me not being as prayed up as I should have been, some of my own spirit did get in, making the song not quite as right on spiritually as it could have been.
I guess I've spent a really long time saying, in my humble opinion, I think that almost any extreme emotion can be portrayed in heavy music, if you're led of the Lord and careful to make sure it's His Spirit guiding you and coming through more than your own.
ho ho ho
The devil's been claiming everything as his idea since God made the world. How shocking that he'd do it again. You see, it's the feeling that you're God, but the thing is, you aren't... and you know it.
But ours is better than yours, because we've got His power... and we know it.
Don't be silly. You should have identified yourself so that I could pray for you.
"If the writer's Heart is right and he Loves Jesus for real, and isn't drawing on system Metal which kills fast, you can make Family Metal."
Amen to that. I think the purer we keep ourselves from the music of the world, the better the music the Lord will give.
Audioguru:
Thanks audioguru for those great comments. I've been waiting to hear your two cents on this topic since i know you've "been there & done that". So right on! About the song 'I Saw You Go': I think the fact that Jesus screams the chorus is showing a heighten level of the extreame emotion he feels for his bride that left him. I love that song.
Danny:
Bounty of Dragons is sort of a single artist thing & sort of a band. The main guys name is Abner & he writes the songs & does the vocals, bass, & guitar. Steve McNair (of Stem) does the drums & mixing. And Shun (who played guitar for Stem at Wordstock IV) did the lead breaks. I think Abner is trying to form a band or something. About the Christian music thingy: Please refrain from posting lyrics to non-Family songs on the site. I won't deleted your post cause its not such a big deal the first time, but any more of that I'll have to deleted. This site is about appreciating & downloading Family music. Not about whether or not Christian music is good. I personally think that right now, the enemy is using non-Family Christian music as a crack in the door to get our young people uninterested in the music that we produce. All in all, no matter how "good" Christian song is, it will never be as good for your spirit as the pure waters that Family music is.
Neo:
yeh, about I Saw You Go, that was the idea...
To the other guy:
Why do you hang around here?
Audioguru
Well, it looks likes we virgos think alike once again. Cheers
The other guy:
Sorry, dude, I don't feel like arguing with you online. I'll argue for hours in real life, but I don't want to bother others. So you'll unfortunately keep getting deleted.
Sink or swim, & Length of miles. Very great!
Yes, I'm quite loving the whole album, but I'm very very very very much loving Length Of Miles.
"All in all, no matter how "good" Christian song is, it will never be as good for your spirit as the pure waters that Family music is."
that's not even in accordance with what mama and peter are saying in the GN's but whatever.. it's your blog. GBY!
Length of Miles is definetly my favorite, with Alone We Fall & Sink Or Swim coming as close seconds.
Fanny:
Umm....that is exactly what it says in the letters. Go read Shooting Straight part 9!
How was I supposed to know? I just answer name by name. In the last post he wrote is name as Fanny. I have no idea who Daniel Hwtz is.
I most certainly hope that guy isn't hwtz... I'll give him quite a talking to.
to danny! YEAH!!
System Music VS. Family music Isn't something you can have an "opinion" on. If you think system metal has a stronger message therefore You think it's better for you than Family Music, thats fine, But you're awful close to speaking against the word there.
That's right Steve! Say, you're Steve McNair right?
Its amazing ab isnt getting any criticism on this site. Haha im so glad you changed the lyrics for length of miles dude! It still sounds like that all that remains song tho...
haha yeah my whole home basicaly was against that i saw you go song. I thot it was great, the poppiest sort of metal i ever heard!
The fact that Ab isn't getting critisim here is not a surprise since I gernerally don't allow destructive critisim. The fact that he as yet has not got it anywhere else, now THAT is amazing. He must be real good.
Yeah Im surprised I havent gotten a bashing yet, TYJ! hey shonics did cryssy hear the album yet?
Yeah, Abner you rock, bud! Especially that song "Length of Miles"...I think that's pretty much at the top of the Family Metal charts! Good lyrical drama too! Just for you all to know, studio1625 is working on POA's album as we speak...It's coming together quite nicely, and their style has gotten much better over the years, specially since Marky got on with them full time.
TO Audioguru and Neo:
Woot do we Virgos think alike! I totally share your opinions on this matter or Family music vs. System music. The cleaner we keep ourselves, even from the slightest scuff, the better...I also believe that we'll be able to pull down even more original tunes and styles if we rid ourselves of these ungodly influences and lean totally on the Lord for our "ideas".
I have personally never been heavily into System music, although I have followed music from the 60's-80's at one time of my life, maily because we played that kind of music at paid shows in Mex...but I feel that it's been better for my musical side, cuz not only can I write more original stuff, but if I do chance upon the same tune as another System musician, I can claim total ignorance, which shows that it could only be the Lord :D
Joanna...
"Well you all sure do alot of system music critisim here for being an apreciative site."
Hell yeah. so do Jesus, Dad, Mama and Peter.
First of all, I would argue further- But on this topic, It only makes sense to discuss it when Both parties have a basic agreement and foundation of thinking based on the word. I'm not going to argue with someone who knows their thinking and words are against what the family stands for. (unless that person is outside the family)
Bye.
haha no ab cryssy didnt hear the album yet. I dont want to tho cuz if she does she might just go prematurely deaf! haha
jk Cryssy probably would just smile and say, "oh god bless abner!" haha take care dude dont shoot too much deer k?
Sam F:
What!? You're a virgo too?? Awsome. Hope that POA album comes real soon.
Joanna:
I won't delete your comment this time because it gave Steve the marvelous oportunity to state my opinion on it, ha. You know, if you don't like Family music, this is probably not the place for you. As music was one of the things the Family was built on.
joanna, I think familly music still comes up with "good things" I dont believe it died in the 80s. yes we certainly have room to improve,I completely and totally agree, but calling family music past the 80s dead, is a big slap in the face to many a family musician who try very hard to please "people like neo".
"sad but true"? if were not sad about it does it make it false?
Hey Neo,
I've had this "debate" dealio happen on my blog too and I suggest you'd like yeah...delete the bad and keep the good word based ones. Even if the bad ones have an answer to them by steve mcnair, sam fuller, you, audioguru; who I know/notice are pretty much solid in their knowledge on the word and are speaking the truth. The fact that ppl are saying their doubts on music in public, WILL harm ppl who read 'em. For me personaly, it has, it got me alittle down while I read these comments and I know whats right and all, but usually things like this will stick to my mind and the devil will most likely use that in the future as a starting point for me to get discouraged and doubt family music.
Debates on music should NOT be allowed in the family all together, unless its between musicians working on a song together. Just take music as it is, and if you got a problem with it, check with the lord and shepherds about it and take it from there. Don't voice them whatever you do.
And as a blog administrator, you should also check in with the lord and shepherd whether to delete them or not. (don't worry, I had to do that)
Love you lots guys! (ya and...count stevie poo in your virgo groupo, HAIL!)
whooopsies sorry, I hope I didn't offend danny or joanna (sexy beast...well at I think, spanish right?), for calling their comments "bad" I guess I should have said "questions" instead.
Im sorry, I SWEAR I AM! I didn't mean to, its super late right now and...and...and...Im sorry! Gosh, don't hold it against me.....
sniff.
Heh, I already delete comments on a very regualar basis for the sake of keeping this site godly. I left the other ones on cause they didn't seem so bad at the time. but reading back I realised its better they don't remain there. Also to discourage any more of that I'll just remove it straitaway. Sorry guys but I wanna keep this pure.
Hey! I just realised that all my favorite metal producers posted in this comments box. I didn't even know they went on here! I love you guys -Abner, Sam F, & Audioguru, as well as Steve & Wraf. Your contributions in our music world have definetly pleased "people like Neo"!!!
no joan, its called the right of speech.I agree everyone should post their rebuttals and questions/argument in a diplomatic manner, but deleting all "bad" comments will not benefit anyone anything,criticism is always constructive,that is if its valid of course, you see the other side of the coin,and you learn from it. Debate is always beneficial. You must see the evil to appreciate good. I dunno.
Yes, but...
People critising Family music just because they don't like it (I'll add here "don't WANT to like it") is just unnessesary. I realy don't apreciate that stuff here. Was the critisim constructive?
If the criticism is constructive and being given from the angle of the Word, or at least not contradicting the Word, then great, bring all of it on that you can give.
But if it isn't in line with the Word, as in, the opinion given goes against it somehow, (like "We should have a greater appreciation for system music") then I don't see how we could possibly need it.
The sordidly inane statement above isn't even worth addressing.
Though I am a metal monkey, I prefer water. Oh, it's music you are talking about. Sorry... In that case you should know by now that it's empty spaces that we use. We to not use the markers and structures that define order. We use the empty space in between. Go figure... ;)
Luv, music is not the Family’s end goal…it’s only a means to an end. It’s meant to inspire and motivate the members to serve the lord to their maximum potential, and to be a means of relaxation and enjoyment. It’s not meant to be pure entertainment, it meant to convey a message, as most others have already stated. Danny’s saying that system lyrics aren’t that bad and can even be uplifting at times, that’s between each person and the Lord as what can be one person’s food can just as easily be another’s poison. We are trying to give the Family at least al little bit of music that can help them along their path of life…even if it’s not the of the best “quality” or “lyrical value”. What’s recorded is recorded to the utmost best possible that we as family musicians can, with our very limited budget and our minimal time spent in the studio…most if not all of us didn’t go to any sort of musical production school, what we know is either self taught, or taught to us by our fellow warriors.
We are in a friggin ARMY!!! An army isn’t there to enjoy the music played by the army band, it’s there to fight! The music is just there as an inspiration to them to keep fighting. And if the music dosen’t float their little tuna boats, then they just block it out, and concentrate on FIGHTING! They don’t go looking around for other means of entertainment, or rummaging through the enemy’s camp looking for some of their “better music”…cuause it’s only gonna end up being a distraction in the long run, and even in the short one.
You know what the Word says about this…that Words we as disciples should be living by? It says “Neither give place to the DEVIL!” Nada! Zilch! N-O P-L-A-C-E!!!
We aren’t supposed to even give a damn if the music isn’t up to par with the system’s, WE AREN’T TRYING TO BE LIKE THEM!!! We are not conforming ourselves to this world! We are at war! Why can’t you see that? Are you really so blind that you cannot see that we are fighting a WAR! Stop this craving to slake! I DON’T think that this “system music” is really making you a better disciple from the fruits I have seen so far, but I may be wrong in this point so it would probably be better if you were to ask the Lord about it and see what HE has to say, instead of being so full of yourself and what you want to do… WAKE UP!!! pick up your weapons, and deal the Devil a blow SO HARD that he will not know what hit him…go on the ATTACK!!! This is NO TIME FOR STANDING STILL!!! This is a challenge for ALL you who are reading this, will you take a stand together with us? Together with us: your friends, your comrades-in-arms, your brothers, and your sisters? or will you get sucked down the drain by all the Devil’s shit?!?! Which will it be for YOU!? Will you chosse to be one of the few people on this earth that stood up against foes so mighty and won? A soilder that, though he slipped and fell at times, had the junction and the guts to see it through? A soilder DETERMINED that NO MATTER WHAT he would come through as the victor? Do you want it to be said of you “Well done thou good and faithful servant! You have been faithful in the FEW THINGS(music is a little thing, even for us musicians) AND NOW I MAKE YOU RULER OVER MANY THING!!!! Enter into the My Joy!! I don’t know about you, but my path is set…I am determined to fight through to the end and emerge victorious…I WANT THAT CROWN!!! Do you?
That was for Joanne btw...but it applies to all of us...goodnight all!
haha you know what? Everyone knows are music will match up to systems standards. Cuz of course(its been said millions of times), our equipment is like make up of stuff bought for a few hundred bucks. Family producers just dont have the time or resources to match up to the "quality" that the system has to offer.
But when it comes to being uplifted in spirit, its obvious which is superior. I know of young family producers who listen to reference quite often, and i do agree that it helps improve the genre that they're going for. But heck if you want to listen to system music, why dont you just ask the lord for your personal system music guidelines and stick with it? It'd make life so much simpler for the rest of us! haha bye
Preach it Sam! That was one awsome commet. the best one we've had on this blog yet. In fact, can I have your permission to put it on the blog page as a post?
yes, I wasn't saying we should have a more open mind to system music nor was I saying we should appreciate it more, I was merely trying to address the issue of comment moderation.Seeing both sides of the coin can be beneficial. for example, if there wasn't a controversy on this topic then sam wouldn't have come out with that great speech on how were in an army. you see where I'm coming from?
I talking about seeing both good and evil, and making our own minds of what we want to believe.
I don't even know why this conversation on family music is happening again, its been done so many times on so many blogs, from so many different angles. I think the answer is quite clear already.
Paulie deary...do me a fave...can you find me that song haven sings in wordstock 3 i think??? that one..."i will go on"...i think that's what it's called...i'm too lazy (and i don't have time since i have andrea on my own) to go searching high and low for it. i'm sure you have lots of time and plenty of way of finding it for me...thank you! love you! i'll pray you find it quickly!!! :D --Jo
Yuichi:
I wasn't trying to bash you at all! But I am personally tired of those who keep promoting system music & putting down Family music. Like you said, its been discussed so many times that I really don't need it discussed here. I try to keep things clean.
Ficca's:
I am not allowed to put it up on the web myself, but I can & will send it to your e-mail address. -IF you NEVER call me Paulie again!
Sure can if you want, Neo...
I agree with Abner...nuff of the debating, let's just enjoy the music, and those of you who can't or don't want to...well, you shouldn't be on this blog :D Cheers!
hmm, ok I understand that you may want to delete my posts, although I don't really see what's wrong with them. But doesn't deleting all the posts you don't like make posts like Sam's rather unnecessary and un understandable for people who haven't read mine yet?
And again I'll say, there would never be a debate if everyone would just like their own types of music without criticizing others. The fans of other music don't like you dissing their likes the same as you don't like them dissing yours.
Stop deleting posts! It makes the thread hard to understand for late-comers like me.
ok deary...just send it to my box...u know it right? thanks Paul.........ie! :D can't help it...haha...love u! waiting....
Anon:
If I din't delete posts we would be overloaded with rather non Family standard comments in vitualy ever post.
Joan.......ie:
I'll send it to you tomorrow. Luv ya
I guess mine wasn't so family standard eh?
my apologies ;)
PSiing Joanie would like to send a message:
"Whoa okay sam, that whole comment was to me? ... I really dont know why you grabbed that mega phone and nearly busted my ears out from all that preaching. You've got a point, by why was it directed to me when you already know that I'm overly in love with family music and have a strong hatred for the devil's gomi? My comment up there wasn't saying, "Oh my god, I love system music...there's no comparison to theirs!" ............................ ........................... my point for that comment was about the comments in this comment box. (comment that!) ..... are you catchin my drift?
Boner-kun, I know what you're saying, I get ya. But like this awesome audioguru was saying, as long as it's all going according to the word, then everything's a-hokay.
Neo, that was ficca...not joan....ie. Geeeesh! ;)"
EOC.
....no not delivery from postman, from JOAN! Gosh...computers these days...
These heavier albums are questionable. I always wonder if they (the musicians) are trying to make music with a message or if they`re just trying to be whack. If you`re a jett, start downloading now! If not, think twice...
Joan:
Sam's post was not to you. It was to Joanna who had her post deleted. Sorry that you thought it was bashing you, ha. And by the way, ficca's real name is Jonie too, but polite people who call others the names they prefer call her Jo.
Drav:
I don't think I ever deleted one of your comments. Unless you posted as anonymous & I didn't know.
Jeff:
What you're saying is contradictory. You first say that you wonder if the musicians are making this kind of music for message or for whackoness, and then you encourage Jetts to download it. That's not being your brothers keeper!! Abner said that Jetts should check with thier parents first before they download his stuff!
hahaa joanie....I said to JOANNE, not Joanie Pie!!! Not you!! Inow how much you love family music, that comment was in NO WAY DIRECTED TO YOU. HAHAHA sorry for not making htat clear.... te amo
lol,two misunderstandings happening at the same time
Well, we all make mistakes.
Hey Neo, could you change the link to my stuido's page to this one:
nudeproductions.blgospot.com?
Sankoo!!
Sure thing!
hey Neo,can I have your e-mail address?I need to write you about something..
jajaja, ok I was reading through this whole topic, and just wanna say something about what someone said further up!!
THERE CANT BE CHRISTIAN BLACK METAL!!! The whole point of black metal is to worship satan. Whoever said that is probably very confused, and I hope he hasnt been listening to "Christian black metal", because thats like eating poison thinking it is a chocolate cake!!!
Get your music straight!!
That's right! Black metal & death metal are satanic, violent, & death oriented. The "Christian" artists call thier productions with the same musical style White Metal & Life Metal. But really, You'd be a whole lot safer sticking to the Family stuff. And hang on to your hats cause there will be more soon!
dude who is the lead guitarist for this band..i enjoyed his neo-classical twist in the song cannon..nice blend on the arppegios who ever it is
The lead guitarist is Shun, or Shunnie as he is sometimes called. He's darn good.
everything you are saying about metal here was said a about punk 5 years ago...think...please ...neo steve and other various readers
"Steve ha detto...
Hey anonymous, You just have yourself a good one. I'm Not going to answer your Points...skip a bit
...Now, anonymous, Think before you say."
i did not and will not call you uneducated...i havevery much respected what you have done musically but but your statements reek of the same intollerance i heard from others when your music first hit the scene...think...theres only twelve notes...genere does not mean much apart from the enjoyment levels of teh indiviual...neo you wash out pretty easy...you went fro likeingchrymes music to disliking it pretty fast...hopefully it didnt have anything to do with what ur "heros" said, remember...think...
metal lalalalala...u cant stop it...stystemites couldnt stop it from taking over there kids you wont!!!!(family-wise that is of course...)
Guys, guys, please!!! Let's have some peace here. This is not the place for personal digs at old foes. For one, I still like Chryme's album musicaly. I conceeded on the point that it may not be a good idea to promote it as it has a rather dark spirit & is very questionable lyrically. But my personal likes/dislikes don't change with the rising of a few suns. This site is for promoting good, godly Family music. Not for the sharing of my personal tastes, or the dissemination of yours.
To quote thumpers Father: "If you can't say something nice (or Godly) don't say nothin' at all!"
2 thumbs for The Bounty of Dragons!! Their music kicks some serious satan butt!! so nice to hear some awesome music with a message.....I mean most Fam music has a good message, of course, but never in this genre and this good! I love it. GBT
Amen to that!!!
Hey Neo where can I download your mmv's?
I thot "to the death" was real well made, and I'd like to get the rest?
Ahhh! I love the song ''Length of Miles!''......just wanted to say that....
Hey, i don't know how 2 talk good in eanglish, so i will rigth in spanish:
A mi parecer,estas bandas ( The Bounty of Dragons y Nude Productions) son bandas muy buenas, tu puedes saberlo porque estan haciendo musica que no existe en la familia, y musica muy buena. Obviamente no me parece bien algunas cosas de las que escriben en sus canciones, y es cierto, deberian de cambiarlo, pero mirenlo de esta manera: si ellos estan haciendo musica buena, unica en su genero, DLB. Claro que tienen que cambiar y mejorar, pero, quien es perfecto? son unas exelentes bandas, me gustan mucho, y sinceramente, son las bandas que me han ayudado a no volver a caer con la musica del sistema!!!!
yo creo que no deberian de ser tan pesimistas, solo mirenlo desde el punto de vista que si estas bandas mejoran, Dios mio, seran unas de las mejores en su genero en la familia!
No solo hablen de las cosas malas; tambien hablen de las cosas buenas!!!!
Could somebody give a translation for that spanish stuff?
Hey, is don't know how talk good in eanglish, under i will rigth in spanish: To my to seem, these bands (The Bounty of Dragons and Nude Productions) they are very good bands, your you can know it because they estan making that do not exist in the family, and very good music music. Obvious it does not seem to me well some things of which they write in its songs, and is certain, they have to change it, but look it this way: if they are making music good, unic in his I generate, GBT. Clear that they must change and improve, but, who is perfect? they are exelents bands, I like much, and sincerely, they are the bands that have helped me not to return to fall with the music of the system! I believe that they do not have to being so pessimistic, just look it from the point of view that if these bands improve, My God , they would be one of the best ones in his I gener in the family! Nonsingle they speak of the bad things; also they speak of the good things!
I haven't read all the coments, but i think that you guys should be more possitive....
any ways, GBY.....
PD:So sorry 4 my bad english.
Gracias, David, por su fe con nosotros! DTB!
Thanks Dvaid, good comment!
hey Neo...the link to my stuido blog needs to be fixed..check it out, you'll see. And also could you cahnge the thing about the "Band from south america"...It's just a studio, in North America. :D Cheers man...God Bless!
hey..... DBY all 4 the good music that u guys made! I really like the 2 bands!!! and I have a cuestion! before i wasn't in the family, and i play whit my band, but that wass before, now I'm in the family (Thank you Jesus) and i have some off my music style and I really want 2 shared my music whit all u guys! but first of all, my music is punk style, but a rude punk, but any ways, were should I send my music? Thanks a lot! GBY guys 4 the powerfull music that u made!!
PD: my mail is skuspunker@gmail.com
and sorry 4 my bad english
hay eon is that new band like hard core kinda style?
I know I'm not eon...but which band are you talking about? :D
If you're talking about Bounty of Dragons, its Metalcore taht they play.
that strawberry jam one.
by the way,bountry of dragons is a pretty good hard core rock band.
Strawberry Jam ranges from jazz to rock to rap to ska to latin to....man! it's loco!
Whoa, I didn't expect my EYE LIVE album to be open to everyone and taken and used and abused by some random people who I don't know....and who definetly don't know me, thats the main thing.........my songs were just DEMOs.......what did you expect??? lol. Basically I recorded them so I wouldn't forget them when I moved.......so, keep your hands to yourself weirdos....certain ones....
Lol, whatever, Human Nature is stretching my vains more then ever and i'm too used to it.
Dogma-eye
BTW This is the first time i've been looking at all these comments...interesting...interesting....and wow, so many comments...but yeah, I had those on my sardonic blog too....the opriginal one, and yeah dear Amarathine, you're totally right about certain songs I made. They're a bit naughty...but I didn't expect everyone to be listening to it. Oh well, Rom 8:28
Dogma-eye
Well whatever you put on the web is bound to be found & downloaded by somebody! I guess it was just your luck that it was me, ha.
that bands loco?
What band?
Strawberry Jam?? Loco?? They're great!!!.....ok maybe a bit loco lol.
Pretty impressive what they did though.....I'd like to see someone else write, record, and produce an entire album in 4 days......even if it was just for laughs, those 3 have serious talent.....but Jerry, they have their own thread:D
Yeah, I was about to say that too....have fun talking about them in thier own thread!
phill i now your in too that kinda latino or jazz or blah blah, but the kind of style of music that impressize me is hard rock, im not really into that lantin or jazz type its good but i dont relate to it...by the way i was talking to sam not u.
hay whats your face trying too look like neo but u dont, im not making fun of there style....by the way, neos not blond.
"All in all, no matter how 'good' Christian song is, it will never be as good for your spirit as the pure waters that Family music is."
Wow thats a pretty bold statement that puts all non-Family music under our Family music. Which is to say that no matter how Godly the song is it will never be as "good" as a Family song. To me that sounds self-righteous and hypocritical.
Yeah, it would -- if I was a producer, ha ha. Sorry, brother, but that is what the WORD says! Personally I dislike "Christian" music even more than secular music. Why? Because when Family members listen to secular music, they know exactly what they are doing and are in essence "choosing thier own poison". It's between them & the Lord. Whereas with so-called "Christian" music, it basically an excuse not to listen to family music. "Oh, it's so good, it talks about the Lord." Yeah, in a very brackish, the-Lord-is-my-light-and-fluffy-pillow sort of way. And then it gets worse cause it gets promoted around & others who never listened to it b4 jump at the excuse to listen to non-Family stuff. Until they even start playing it at camp inspirations. (God Fobid!!!)
Let's not start another one of these things...it's all been said before, and I definatly side with Patrick. I listen to some "Christian" system music that I find more feeding and inspiring than a lot of Family music. And I find it rather degrading that you think I or any other of your fellow soldiers would use that as an excuse to listen to "System" music. It's all between you and the Lord. "According to your faith be it unto you". peace all!
all I can say to you, anon is in fact...HA! pretty foolish and degrading statement there...you knwo who you're talking to, we are God's Elite, and friggin proud of it! And at the moment we're just discussing what we feel, in account with what the Lord has shwon us, is good for our spiritual growth. We're not of this world, therefore how can you ever hope to understand us with your 2D vision? eh? Have a good life, whoever you are! ;)
"All of you guys dont no anything about system music, none of you guys were around back in the day.your just a bunch of good little christian kids!"
wth is that suppose to mean? what is there to know about system music? and what do you mean back in the day?? i'm just going to assume that you're in your late 50's and by "back in the day" you're talking about the days when the Beatles were everything.
btw thanks for the compliment about good little Christian kids! and on the "f@@k you" i must say very convincing argument! you should join a debate team!
Well, "degrading" or not, that is in fact what I've seen. It's a pretty common thing for "Christian" music to be used as an excuse to listen to system music. Very common.
And I think its very degrading to say that non-Family music is "more inspiring" than Family music. That's a bit of a unbalanced taste.
hay conehead, i mean the music from the 70s and 80s.dont guys no anything about rock music back in those days,and i think your trying copy me becuase you dont no whut too say.
Why would we be even remotely interested in 70s & 80s music?
Oh, and you don't know how to spell!
After much though i think anon is saying something about us "guys" not knowing anything about rock music from the 70s and 80s. So my question is how did you even come up with that assumption? Plus why would that even matter? And, assuming that I'm "conehead"(i have a friend that goes by that), then try thinking a little harder if that possible. Cause if you do you might see that I am, indeed, not trying to copy you! I know it's a hard saying to grasp but it's true.
oh and anon, i found this nifty site that might help your comments be understood better while at the same time giving you a fun time!
http://www.kidsites.com/sites-fun/activities.htm
And as far as Christian music being used as an excuse to listen to un-godly music, the song still has the same meaning and pureness. Excuses do not lessen its value.
And as far as Christian music vs. Family music, just because we're in the Family it doesn't mean our music is "more inspiring" than those of genuine Christians. How is LeAnn Rimes's "I Need You" 'less inspiring' than the Family LLJ song "Nothing Without Your Love"
Well said Patrick. Especially the first 2 posts.
I do want to mention something - the song "I Need You" by LeAnn Rimes is already a officially approved (by WS - & JC) Christian song. It is not to be compared to the myriad of non-approved Christian songs out there. Different category alltogether.
Hey, can somebody give me the mail of Neo? please..... i really need it.... txs!!! my mail is skuspunker@gmail.com
Can somebody give me any mail of anyone of The Bounty of the dragons? please... I really need it.... GBY all...
Sorry I honestly don't know it.
hmm new topic needed......ok well Sam from NP I quite like Still Rest! I think it's the style you should stick to, cuz imo you do it well....definitly your best one regarding musical composition. I like the mix of straight vocals with the screamed parts. It's sounds good, and it doesn't reach that overkill level:P gby
Uh huh, uh huh. Very good stuff!
Man, i don't know if this discussion is long over, but i have a few things to add.
Hear are my two cents...
#1: If you pay attention to the metal scene at all you will notice that it's all but completely taken over by Christian bands. It's no longer a sinister, dark world of witchcraft and Satan worshipers. Christian hardcore/metalcore has become a sub genre of Metal, even drifting into deathcore and southern metal. It's an important time in history for music in my opinion, the Gospel is being preached to all the world for a witness and bands like "As i lay dying","The devil wears prada" and "August burns red" are really doing a great job GBT!!
Granted, they are "system Christians" so they don't have the same truths that we do. But honestly, they are doing more for the the Lord than a lot of us are. We can have all the truth in the world but if we don’t do something with it then we are wasting the Lords time.
I think we need to get in there and use this time to get the message out like never before. We have lyric content that could make a serious difference in the world and we have the talent to go and do it, we just need to stop being to wrapped up in “who’s the next big act in the Family”.
#2 Metal/Hardcore/metalcore/whatevercore is not for everyone. It’s an aggressive style that is not for the faint of heart. But it could also be a tool to really get a across not only a message of warning, but a spirit of urgency. We don’t have a lot of time, and a lot of people in the world need to understand how urgent the need is for change.
To go back to my first point, we sometimes get so wrapped up in the “next big thing” in the family to the point that it becomes a thing of pride. We need to focus our time and efforts on the Offensive in whatever means possible. My humble opinion is that we should focus or music outward instead of inward with intent to give Family kids an alternative to system music. Not to say that it’s not important, or that it hasn’t served a purpose until now, but it’s not very motivating as a musician to have that as an end goal. Lets make music that will reach the lost and ignite a fire to change and the rest will follow. We will end with music that will serve both purposes.
Don’t know if that is clear, any thoughts?
P.S. Keep us (Jason Paone, Tony, Tim, Andrew, Marky) in your prayers as we are putting together and album with the purpose of offensive warfare. We need prayer for anointed lyrics and compositions, as well as supply for our home as we move into this project. LY!
nice comment. Will be prayin'for ya (and any pre-releases of 10 Bullet Plan will be great!)
Wow, personally I've never had the opportunity to listen to system (not that I'd want to) nor Family metal, but I certainly agree with you Neo, and some of the other guys like Steve, etc. All system music, especially the metal stuff is dangerous. I personally haven't listened to much system music, but I have met others who have and I can tell you that after they fasted it for a year or more (that was a requirement for joining our home), you can see that those guys begin to change for the better. To hell with system music. God bless our own cool Family bands which can produce real clean, pure music. As for 'Christian' or 'Churchian' music, I really don't appreciate it. It's so sleepy and has got no real message. Every once in a while one may find a song that's pretty powerful, but even that is nothing compared to our own music. I love the Family and I love the Family's music, even all the stuff back to 'I'm in love with Jesus' or 'The Beavers'. God bless Aaron who really helped Family music to take off, and God bless all of those who are keeping it flying higher and higher.
Even though we in the Family don't have nearly as good equipment as those in the system, I can say in this case 'to hell with the proper way'. I'd much rather have poorly-produced but powerful Family music, to any system crap no matter how well-produced it is. No offense to any of you who produce Family music, I think you do great, I don't know how much better it can get, especially with the equipment that you have to use. God bless you all, lol.
Great posts Drakeot. Thanks for your imput.
BTW, if you haven't listened to Family Metal. Download this Bounty of Dragons album & you'll have it.
Hmmm Drakeot, as someone who "personally (hasn't) listened to much system music" you sure have some bold comments on system music. It's easy to put down obviously demon possessed music, but how would you really know that "christian" music is sleepy and powerless? It's funny how we read book summaries written by dedicated Christian and we praise God for how on fire and radical they are, but when it comes to their music we belittle it and judge it because it isn't "family" music. Don't go dissing music that you don't even listen to or know anything about. If God used an ass to send a message to Balem then I'm sure he can use ANYONE to make pure music with a message for the masses, regardless of status.
Well, Mr. O'Connor, I have to admit that some "Christian" music is okay and carries a good message, but "Christian" music is something that I am forced to listen to a whole lot, being in a country which predominantly "Christian". I'm sure God could use these Christian's as much as anyone else, but the stuff I hear from them here is such garbage...never mind. By saying that the Christian music is sleepy or powerless, I don't mean that musically, but somehow the feeling of even hard rock Christian songs leaves me feeling sick. It's enough to give me such a headache. Maybe it just so happens to be the stuff that one hears in this area that is real blah, and for now I'll believe that, but I do find it hard to believe. From what Mark said, about Christians doing a lot more then a lot of us are doing, I don't agree with at all. Maybe folks in some countries are not out witnessing as much as they should, but that is no reason to say that other Christians are doing a lot more then a lot of the rest of us. God bless them for what they do and God bless us for what we do. Perhaps they are doing better then some of you, but some of us are working day and night, and that's not an exageration, every day of the week to bring in the folds of sheep.
I don't mean any personal offense to any of you and Mark I really dig your music. God bless us all. And God bless the other Christian's out there.
And I agree with Drakeot......
Thanks Neo, and forgive me Patrick O'Connor and Mark, I was rather hot-headed I have to admit. God bless both of you! KGFG!
Hey, don't worry man. It is nice that there are at least a few people don't like or promote or listen to sytem music.
We are a rare & dying breed.
Amen to that! and i can personally confirm what Drakeot said about the guys who came to his home, fasted system music, and then started changing for the better. I was one of those guys. family music rules!
Drakeot.......good to see that you're online a bit more these days.
cheers mate! hey, our band is going to be putting out a couple of mini albums sometime.i can't say when exactly; lord willing sometime before the end of the year. keep that in your prayers all.
Yay, yay! The more music the merrier! (if you do more than six songs, I'll make a section for you. though i'd have to know your name first, ha!)
heh. my name's Sam, a random YA musician. i'm in the home in which lives the beloved, audioguru, Thomas howard, etc. and i think, for now, there will be six songs per album, if all goes well.
What? You've moved to audioguru's home?! My word, you should inform me of these things sooner! Keep up the good work! We're progressing finely I'd say. We've got a rather large performance coming up soon. Pray for us!
Cool! I wish I could join those heavy dudes, ha. Nice to know that extra piece of info.
Personally, I prefer Nierna's metal to Bounty of Dragons'. Bounty of Dragons certainly has better quality though.
I love'm both!
I wanted to thank you for this bounty of dragons album here. I've been searching for it for a very long time. also, since this is my first time on your blog I read the beginning of the of the comments posted here and saw the section on Chryme. the song "In you" is probably the best one of all of them and no, the "fuck you" song is only talking to the devil, caleb doesn't say fuck you to jesus. just thought to clear those few things up. =]
well.. after reading further I see that my post is not needed at all. it seems family metal is one of the most discussed topics of the family these days. anyways... share the love everyone. metal is metal whether it be family or system (I know I shall be persecuted for saying that). anyways.. just to let everyone know both dogma-eye and i are virgos... and dogma-eye(the singer for "in you" and "blood bath") is in a mental institution right. soo.. keep him in your prayers as he's a good friend. thanks...
Why did they choose a name like "Bounty of Dragons"? Just for interest sake, but it does seem a bit odd. It is cool though.
Thanks for that info Luther!
I can't remember the reason for the name -it was something about slaying dragons.
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